Michael Newdow, an atheist lawyer, has some tricks up his sleeve...this time, in New Hampshire. Where better to start an anti-Christ movement than a largely Liberal state. Newdow seeks to take the words "Under God," out of the Pledge of Allegiance.
This is another, in a series of attacks, by atheists, as well as Liberals, so-called "Secular Progressives," on our Christian-founded Nation. Mr. Newdow's intentions are to erase, or remove Christianity from American mainstream...and this, my friends, is how the American people, if an effort is not put forth to oppose and stop these attacks, will go down as the once great Nation, Babylon, did so long ago.
As 89% agree that the words, "Under God" should remain in the Pledge of Allegiance, it would seem that Mr. Newdow's efforts would fall on deaf ears. Think about it though, 11% opposing 'Under God,' which isn't a whole lot, but still enough to cause great concern within the country. Why? Well, you've got a larger group of people, the ACLU, working in conjunction with the atheists, as activists, or advocates, and they try to use the so-called "Seperation of Church and State" euphemism to try and cover up their evil-intentioned works, or work of Satan, thereto.
There is no such thing as "Seperation of Church and State." It's one of the biggest lies ever created, and is one of the Liberals main tactics used to try and change peoples' minds, to win them over. Warning: It's a trap. Don't be deceived by the Atheists attempts at converting you to their hopeless agenda. It is dangerous for your soul.
As Liberals continue to work their poison into our society, and as the people become more dependent upon the government for their necessities, Socialism is soon to follow. Once trapped, you're in it, there's no bail out.
It used to be in the olden days, that when trouble came, the people got on their knees and asked God to help...but not anymore, and my, what a tragedy, that we have moved away from that. It's getting bad, when people start asking the government to help, and not God. John F. Kennedy once said, "'Ask not, what your country can do for you ... ask what you can do for your country.'" The same can also be applied to faith in God, 'Ask not what God can do for you, ask what you can do for God.' You see, if we're going to expect God to help us, then we've got to put forth an effort, to show Him that we believe and trust that He'll do great things. So, don't be fooled, if you think God will bless you without a concerted effort to prove it to Him, then the only thing you can expect, is more of the same, only much worse, as America is ever-quicker drawn into the gutter of hopelessness. The government is an authority God ordained, and there is no authority except God. Sure, there's nothing wrong with helping each other out, but you've got to base it on what God's Word says, or the institution will ultimately come to failure. 'Where the wicked rule, the people groan.'
Put your reliance in God first and foremost, friends, and the rest will follow.
In closing, I'd like to extend and invitation - if you don't already have your own blog, and would like to write a guest post, we'd be glad to have you. These are perilous times, and the only way we can make a difference, is to 'Unite' and make our voices heard. So, if you're interested, feel free to make a request.
God bless!
--Jeremiah--
Thanks for visiting Conservatives United!
Well, you've got a larger group of people, the ACLU, working in conjunction with the atheists, as activists, or advocates, and they try to use the so-called "Seperation of Church and State" euphemism to try and cover up their evil-intentioned works, or work of Satan, thereto.
ReplyDeleteWhy is it when someone or something or some group that doesn't agree with your overzealous ideology, you must presume that person or group is an agent for Lucifer?
There is no such thing as "Seperation of Church and State." It's one of the biggest lies ever created, and is one of the Liberals main tactics used to try and change peoples' minds, to win them over.
Oh for Christ's sake, you can't be serious?
There is such thing as the Separation of Church and State. We just refer to as the Establishment Clause and the Free Exercise Clause of the First Amendment of the Constitution.
Idiot.
Jonathan
ReplyDeleteTake particular attention, and note this last bit of interpretation from the Establishment Clause, as you cited from Wikipedia, just a few words -
government should not prefer one religion to another, or religion to irreligion."
First, think about what religion means:
Websters Intermediate says:
Religion: \ri-'lij-en\ n 1 a: the service and worship of God or the supernatural b: belief in or devotion to religious faith or observance. 2: a set or system of religious attitudes, beliefs, and practices 3: a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith.
Now, go back to what the interpretation of the Clause is, and think upon it, is government should not prefer one religion to another, or religion to irreligion ... saying that government has the right to rule religion out, and force Atheism on all of us? No, of course not! Likewise, it is a great mis-presumption on your part to think that Christian Senators and Congress people have no say in government policy.
What is it that gives the State their just powers to rule by whichever means they choose? The people, the majority! At the consent of the governed. Thus, anything beyond what WE say, is out of bounds. Period.
Down through the ages, every President, and every Congressman has been sworn in on the Bible, and that have upheld the principles set forth in God's Word. Why? Because we've been largely a Christian Nation ... ever since the founding of this great Nation. It's the democratic process, that gives people the right, under the supervision of the Divine to be responsible to Him as to who we elect to govern this great Nation.
Who we elect is very important. It's a right, a 'FREE' right I might add, to vote for those candidates who best suit what is best for the people as a whole, thus, we are in control, and that's the whole point of the Establishment Clause, and what Newdow is trying to do, goes against the Establisment Clause. Why? He's doing the very same thing, you on the left are trying to accuse us Christians of doing. Which is to force his Atheistic views and false opinions on the whole of the American people, turning us into a 'theistocratic' Nation, giving no credit to God what-so-ever. Talk about dangerous!!! My, my, my!!!
Here's the main problem with Democrat thinking ... they've adopted a theology that is not democratic any longer, as they move closer and closer to the deep end into Socialism. Thus, giving the State to rule our lives with THEIR judges in one judge court rulings more freely, by those radicals like whom work for the ACLU, such as Mr. Newdow thus, not giving the people their 'Freedom' to choose, ultimately, what is right for this Nation...and most importantly what Almighty God would have us to do.
Pay attention again: Given this, the Establishment Clause has less power than the Declaration of Independence which states our rights as human-beings, and where we gain our humanity from, not from the State, or any Atheist, or Liberal Democrat so-called "Secular Progressive I might add.
Final point, when the people as a majority, as a whole make the mistake, as might happen this coming fall, of electing a Socialist President such as B. Hussein Obama, they will be giving their vote away in thought of their own self-interests, and thus, giving their right as citizens to be free, away, and into the hands of the State. Very, very unintelligent. As you might notice, Mr. Obama has touted the same old rhetorical line, "change," "change," "change," "change." What was Obama rated in the latest polls??? Most Liberal!
So what's all this "change" rhetoric about?? Let me clue you in, so you won't get trapped - "change" in Obama's standards, means moving away from the FREEDOM that we have enjoyed over the past 500 years back into bondage. Slavery!!! my friend, slavery!
As I've said all along ... don't fool yourself, this freedom the Left touts is not the freedom that you think it is, it is freedom of the State to do as they please with you, and no one else
America needs to wake up!!
The time is NOW!! before your Christian freedoms are gone before your very own eyes!!
God help America!!
--Jeremiah--
"Now, go back to what the interpretation of the Clause is, and think upon it, is government should not prefer one religion to another, or religion to irreligion ... saying that government has the right to rule religion out, and force Atheism on all of us? No, of course not! Likewise, it is a great mis-presumption on your part to think that Christian Senators and Congress people have no say in government policy.
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Actually that would not be prohibited by the wording of the clause, since it would be "preferring irreligion to religion", which is not prohibited by the clause.
"Down through the ages, every President, and every Congressman has been sworn in on the Bible"
And actually they have not. As was pointed out when a senator wished to be sweorn in on the Kuran, a few months back, the actual swear-in ceremony does not use any holy book. The one with the bible is just a photo-op and takes place after the senator or president is sworn in.
And actually they have not.
ReplyDeleteI was going to see if somebody would pick on that and mention it. Thanks.
Which is also part of the great falling away that the Bible speaks about in 2 Thessalonians. The people will start ot become more accepting of other religions, and therefore, disobey the first and most important commandments, Thou shall have no other gods before me.' So, once this great falling away occurs, Satan will be revealed to the people and the Lord's return is not far away, and when He comes back, 2 Thessalonians says that, His enemies will destroyed by "the brightness of His coming."
The people have already started to fall away...
We're getting close!
--Jeremiah--
I meant pick up on that ... not, "pick" on that.
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if it is 'falling away from god" it happened at the founding of the USA : read again : the true swearing-in is not made, has never been made, on the bible.
ReplyDeleteAnonymous,
ReplyDeleteI understand that. We've never forced anyone to swear in on the Bible, it has always been a purely customary thing.
This ties into my explanation, and the truth of prophecy, as the Bible says -- when the people begin to, out of their own free will, choose not to swear in on the Bible, or choose to swear in on a fictitious book, such as the Koran, and and don't say, "so help me God." at the end of their speeches, is the beginning point for which you can see a falling away. When peoples minds are set on earthly things, and not the Creator.
At no time in history has the United States been so corrupt and depraved of body and mind as the past 35 years to the present, it has continually declined through the distribution of pornography, drugs, alcohol, and just all around mean spiritedness. At this point, if a democrat were to take office, then depravity and likewise crime will skyrocket, and freedoms will plummet.
I don't know what country you live in Anonymous, but if you live here in the U.S. I would assume this is the time you've been waiting for ... although, it may not be so pretty in the future, should your candidate become President.
--Jeremiah--
Which is also part of the great falling away that the Bible speaks about in 2 Thessalonians. The people will start ot become more accepting of other religions, and therefore, disobey the first and most important commandments, Thou shall have no other gods before me.' So, once this great falling away occurs, Satan will be revealed to the people and the Lord's return is not far away, and when He comes back, 2 Thessalonians says that, His enemies will destroyed by "the brightness of His coming."
ReplyDeleteWhat a load of bull.
Jeremiah, this nation of ours has been accepting of other religions for over 230 years and recently, a Muslim Congressman swore on the Koran before obtaining his job, and so far, Satan has not revealed himself; in fact, none of those bogus Biblical predictions you talked about have come to pass.
Isn't time you stopped making those idiotic predictions that most people know, will never come to pass?
Isn't time you stopped making those idiotic predictions that most people know, will never come to pass?
ReplyDeleteNo, Jonathan, better for me to have faith, than to lose my soul, and burn for eternity in Hell.
What's better?
'What does it profit a man to gain the whole world, yet lose his own soul?'
Or ... To stand at Christ's right hand and hear Him say, 'Come ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world.' Matt 25:34
What a glorious day it will be for the Saints as we read in Revelation by Saint John: The Kingdom proclaimed Revelation 11:15 - Then the seventh angel sounded: And there were loud voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world have beomce the kingdoms of our Lord and of His Christ, and He shall reign forever, and ever!'
Here is a lesson for you:
1 Corinthians 15:20-33 - 'But now Christ is risen from the dead, and has become the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. For since by man came death, by Man also came the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive. But each one in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who are Christ's at His coming. Then comes the end, when He delivers the kingdom the Church (Born-again in Christ) to God the Father, when He puts and end to all rule and all authority and power. For He must reign till He has put all enemies under His feet. The last enemy that will be destroyed is death. For "He has put all things under His feet." But when He says "all things are put under Him," it is evident that He who put all things under Him is excepted. Now when all things are made subject to Him, then the Son Himself will also be subject to Him who put all things under HIm, that God may be all in all.
Effects of denying the Resurrection - starting off again at verse 29 of 1 Corinthians:
Otherwise, what will they do who are baptized for the dead, if the dead do not rise at all? Why then are they baptized for the dead? And why do we stand in jeopardy every hour? I affirm, by the boasting in your which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, I die daily. If, in the manner of men, I have fought with beasts at Ephesus, what advantage is it to me? If the dead do not rise, "Let us eat and drink, for tomorrow we die." Do not be deceived: "Evil company corrupts good habits." Awake to righteouness and do not sin; for some do not have the knowledge of God. I speak this to your shame.
But someone will say, "How are the dead raised up? And with what body do they come?" Foolish one, what you sow is not made alive unless it dies. And what you sow, you do not sow that body that shall be, but mere grain--perhaps wheat or some other grain. But God gives it a body as He pleases, and to each seed its own body. All flesh is not the same flesh, but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fish, and another of birds. There are also celestial bodies and terrestrial bodies; but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another. There is one glory of the sun, another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars; for one star differs from another star in glory. So also is the resurrection of the dead. The body is sown in corruption, it is raised in incorruption. It is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory. It is sown in weakness, it is raisedin power. I tis sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritial body. And so it is written, "The first man Adam became a living being." The last Adam became a life-giving spirit. HOwever, the spiritual is not first, but the natural, and afterward the spiritual. The first man was of the earth, made of dust; the second Man is the Lord from heaven. As was the man of dust, so also are those who are made of dust; and as is the heavenly Man, so also are those who are heavenly. And as we have borne the image of the man of dust, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly Man.
So, you see, He's not coming to renovate this earth, no, He's coming to annihilate it, for the ground cursed because of Adam's sin.
All the elements will be consumed in the fervent heat, and there will be no more earth. But we will have life for Eternity provided that we will only believe and ask for direction.
--Jeremiah--
Having faith is a fine thing.
ReplyDeleteThat said,the doom and gloom has been predicted since the Country's inception,and yet has never come to pass.
It's a simple reality,our fine Country wasn't established on any particular religious doctrine. When referenced to "all men are created equal,as endowed by their CREATOR",Their,being the optinal word. That covers so many dieties as to be rediculous,not one singular diety or God.
It is fairly simple to grasp IMO. The Constitution is man's law. The Bible is God's law. Both are exclusive in this world.
"Render unto Ceaser what is Ceaser's". That is relevent to the discussion and a pointed reminder of what Jesus Christ himself thought of theocracy.
Yakki.Psd Oh really? Where did you get your information sir, from a far left web site funded by George Soros? You need to study the history of this great Nation. Our forefathers very well built their ideologies, and our Great Constitution upon the one Diety, the one God of Creation. to say otherwise is simply not understanding the history of this nation. One Nation Under God. There's only one True God, and its not gods my friend. And to say its been predicted since the start of this nation, let me tell you friend, the One Diety God Almighty has said that a "Nation that turns its back on God shall be turned into hell" That's what has happened to many nations down through the history of the world. Look at the Jewish Nation, Look at the Roman World, Look at Europe, (Under Stalin, Hitler), etc. My!! All we have to do is study the one real Truth, and that's the Word that will forever establish us unto a better understanding and then we won't be in the dark on these matters.
ReplyDeleteThis Nation, if it doesn't turn back to God, will be destroyed, maybe not today, or tomorrow, but eventually, like all the others I've noted will certainly also be.
So Anonymous,prove it?
ReplyDeleteThat's the crux of the problem,isn't it? You are wailing for a theocracy in our Representative Republic,and yet your arguement doens't have Constitutional backing.
Our founding fathers came from a religious monarchy,where the state was the church. To think that they,who bucked against the tyranny represented by such monarchy,would create a theocracy themselves,in spite of their writings,is foolish beyond belief.
So insted of attacking me,how about you attack my arguement without your weak platitudes to theocratic rule,eh?
Perhaps looking at the writings of Jefferson or Franklin would help get you started?
T'would be good to remember,that "your" God isn't necessarily everyone else in America's "God". The founding fathers undoubtedly realized that the future of the country would be better served without a states sponsored religion,especially if we,as a nation were to become the inclusive society that was dreamed of.
BTW,when you pick up a copy of Constitution,is it bound in leather and say "Holy Bible" on the cover?
"No power over the freedom of religion is delegated to the United States by the Constitution." And "I consider the government of the U.S. as interdicted by the Constitution from intermeddling with religious institutions, their doctrines, discipline, or exercises." --Thomas Jefferson.
ReplyDeleteThomas Jefferson's rulings were just the opposite of what you thought he ruled.
The ruling you're looking for comes from the Constitution of the Soviet Union.
--Jeremiah--
"No power over the freedom of religion is delegated to the United States by the Constitution." And "I consider the government of the U.S. as interdicted by the Constitution from intermeddling with religious institutions, their doctrines, discipline, or exercises." --Thomas Jefferson."
ReplyDeleteSo Jeremiah,please explain how this supports the attempts to sponsor a state religion of Christianity?
If the Constitution holds no power over the Freedom of Religion,then it holds no power of ANY religion over the freedom of another,yes?
You cannot have it both ways sir. Either it does or doesn't,and clearly it doesn't.
So where does that leave the argument?
That the state does not have the right to establish a religious test,or religious entity based in and of itself. That includes the basing of Christianity as a "national" religious entity to the exclusion of other faiths.
Sorry,won't fly in the face of Constitutional law.
And no,it has nothing to do with Communist thinking,or Soviet "constitution".
It has to do with our own.
"Thomas Jefferson's rulings were just the opposite of what you thought he ruled."
ReplyDeleteexcuse sir for the second post,but I forgot to add for this comment:
You are wrong sir. Deeply,legally wrong.
The quote you supplied itself proves it.
I'm sorry to be the bearer of ill news,but your quote speaks for itself.
Yakki.PsD,
ReplyDeleteYou can believe whatever you want to believe, that's your God-given rights, and I assume you understand that or you wouldn't go around posting on peoples blogs as you feel freely to do so. But I'm going to speak the truth, and no one can ever take that from me, no modernist humanist law will ever change the true intent of the Founding Fathers, as no power was given to the Constitution, by them, whatsoever to rule reigion in or out of peoples lives, it gives us the freedom to choose, and I will stand and fight for the freedom to bear witness in order to protect the same freedom for by brothers and sisters.
--Jeremiah--
Jeremiah,where did I say anything about "ruling religion in or out of people's lives"?
ReplyDeleteI am not,and never have advocated such a thing. I have my own beliefs,and though I feel no need to prosletyze to anyone here(and I won't),I still hold them dear to me.
I also have said NOTHING about you standing and bearing witness,nor anyone who choses to do so.
I have stated,that there is Seperation fo Chruch and State. That is all I'm speaking of. Your personal life is your own,as is mine,and I would never infringe on a legal,Constitutionally protected right of a fellow American.
I honestly don't get where you think I was saying that there need be no religion in citizen's lives. I have not,and never will say such a thing.
You wrong me sir.
"and I assume you understand that or you wouldn't go around posting on peoples blogs as you feel freely to do so."
ReplyDeleteI am fully cognizant of the fact that you misunderstood me,but isn't this a plead of "taking one's ball and going home"?
Seriously sir. I have been only respectful here,and have no desire for animosity,only for a sharing of opinion and knowledge on the subject.
I stand by my assessment. The founding fathers DID believe in a Seperation of religion and government. That is,undeniable to any who bother to read the Constitution and the writings of the founders.
YOu have helped to prove my case,and for that I thank you.
The founding fathers DID believe in a Seperation of religion and government. That is,undeniable to any who bother to read the Constitution and the writings of the founders.
ReplyDeleteThat's your right to believe that! And I except that you believe that! However, even though it is your right to believe that, it is not true, and you must come to accept that you're wrong.
What Mr. Jefferson is saying is that all rights granted to the government are from God. The Constitution as a mere document, made of paper alone is just that, paper, and nothing more ... it can't do it. What the Constitution does do, is help to prevent an Atheist President from infringing on, and taking freedoms away from Christians. Likewise, Christianity, as the only good teaching, as it comes with the only law for which can stand as a Nation, and is allowed to influence government.
'There is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist, are appointed by God.'
--Jeremiah--
Here, Yakki, read it again ...
ReplyDeleteNo power over the freedom of religion is delegated to the United States by the Constitution." And "I consider the government of the U.S. as interdicted by the Constitution from intermeddling with religious institutions, their doctrines, discipline, or exercises." --Thomas Jefferson.
From where, then? Not from man, but from Almighty God, Creator of Heaven and earth.
--Jeremiah--
Now that's a stretch Jeremiah. And a Freudian slip on your part,displaying your motivation.
ReplyDeleteWhere in that fine Jefferson quote is "God" even mentioned? He is NOT.
IN fact,it states nothing in particular about any religion or donctrine. It simply states that the government shall not interfere with religion as practiced by the people.
Now,let's read again shall we?
No power over the freedom of religion is delegated to the United States by the Constitution." And "I consider the government of the U.S. as interdicted by the Constitution from intermeddling with religious institutions, their doctrines, discipline, or exercises." --Thomas Jefferson.
Where is "God",of any stripe mentioned here? Where is the allusion to afore mentioned "God"?
I'm sorry Jeremiah. There are 221 years worth of Constitutional scholars behind me,and none behind you sir.
So no. I am not wrong in any way. Your freedom to practice yoru religious beliefs is,and always has been safe. As is every other American's. And there won't be a determination of "God" under the Constitution of the United States,unless we no longer live under that same Constitution. For then,we will be a theocracy,not a Republic.
I do thank you however,for your conversation. It's been a fine one so far.
Yakki,
ReplyDeleteYou have to understand, my friend, those were God-fearing people of that day. They knew if they didn't rely on God, and make all their documents under God, there would be trouble and no chance of withstanding the test of time.
221 years of scholars and that one little fact about the Constitution and one blows you all away.
Take care!
--Jeremiah--
You have to understand, my friend, those were God-fearing people of that day. They knew if they didn't rely on God, and make all their documents under God, there would be trouble and no chance of withstanding the test of time.
ReplyDeleteJeremiah,they did not make all their documents "under God",firstly. You also must remember,that these were the families and children and secular sons and daughters of the original colonists. People who came to America to escape religious persectution.
To think they they,who knew what true prejudice was in their lives,would write into the document of the country's founding that a theocracy could be brought about,is frankly,rediculous. These were learned men as well as God fearing human beings. They knew that their religion would not be the same as all of humanity's,and wrote the Constitution as such to avoid conflicts of religious persecution such as they,and their forebears had endured.
221 years of scholars and that one little fact about the Constitution and one blows you all away.
What "fact"? That many of the founding father's were Christian? How does that blow away what is written in black and white in the Constitution? How does that negate the 221 years of scholarship,most likely all of whom were Christians as well,who state the obvious of your theory?
I'm sorry. That's like saying the moon is made of swiss cheese,based on the fact it looks like it has holes in it.
It simply,sir,doesn't wash.
Excuse please,"who state the ovious wrongness of your theory".
ReplyDeleteI missed a word there,unfortunately.
Yakki,
ReplyDeleteRead...
"It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religions, but on the gospel of Jesus Christ! For this very reason people of other faiths have been afforded asylums, prosperity and freedom of worship here." Patrick Henry
http://earstohear.net/Separation/thebiglie.html
--Jeremiah--
Jeremiah....you're quoting a man who was AGAINST the federal Constitution? Whatever for?
ReplyDeleteHe's irrelevent to the Constitution. He washed his hands of that great document himself,with his radicalism.
Is this the best proof to offer sir?
A question:
ReplyDeleteYou do realize as well,that Patrick Henry never signed the Constitution and did not support it?
If you did know this,then excuse my belaboring the point.
Yakki,
ReplyDeleteHere's some more...
"The reason that
Christianity is the best friend of government
is because Christianity is the only religion
that changes the heart."--Thomas Jefferson
Listen, Yakki, there's just not enough space and time for me to prove to you that this Nation was founded on Christianity. There are thousands, upon thousands of documents that prove it.
So, I'm going to end the discussion here. You either acknowledge it, or you don't.
Give you the last word...
--Jeremiah--
Well,thank you.
ReplyDeleteI think where we disagree,is that you feel the country was founded on such,and I feel the country was founded by men who were in that majority,Christian,yet did not write such belief in the Constitution in such a form as to dedicate the United States to Christianity solely.
I think perhaps this is where our "wires" cross.
IN the end though,the entire arguement is academic.Teh right of Christians to practice their faith is protected,and as far as I'm concerned and my votes count,will always be protected. Freedom of religion to me,is freedom to practice without interference,from anyone. The same to me as any other religion in the country,despite my agreement or disagreement.
This is the fundemental point in being "free",in my opinion. Placing no one citizen above the other in the eyes of the law. No aethist should be given a platform to remove those freedoms,like no one should remove the aethists ability to voice theirs.
It's been a very ice conversation,BTW,and I appreciate the time spent discussing the issue. This is the only way to have true concensus,and to exercise all our freedoms.
With that,good luck to you and God bless.