Some good news...
It's been quite some time since we'd written on this, and with this new entry, it seems the work is paying off...
Pepsico has been contacted by a Traditional family values organization, and may be considering discontinuing their support of the homosexual agenda. This is largely due to the efforts of A.F.A's (American Family Association's) Boycotting of Pepsico earlier in the year, in January. This story from OneNewsNow.
If you would like to join the Pepsico Boycott petition drive, here is a link to an earlier thread titled - Pepsico Supports Homosexual Agenda in which a link is provided that will take you straight to the sign-up page.
Update: In addition, Pepsico's address is provided in the link if you should wish to voice your opposition to their support of the homosexual agenda by writing to them.
Continue to voice your opinions, and make it known that we are still One Nation Under God and were founded solely by a Christian people, and our Constitution is a Christian document, which the liberal homosexual activists want to destroy.
We are living in perilous times, folks, and if we want to preserve our lives, fortunes, and sacred honor handed to us by our Forefathers to defend, then we must do just that and make our voices heard.
It may seem of little or no consequence to a person on an individual basis whether we speak out or not, but that is our duty as followers of Jesus Christ who issued the Great Commission for us to go into the whole world and make His ways known.
God bless!
Update:
Recently, Pepsico has expressed their support of the homosexual agenda publicly with an "in your face" approach, by running ads in the magazine called Out, a periodical that is filled with nude and semi-nude photographs of men in suggestive positions.
Some statistical background on Pepsi.Co reveals that:
1. Pepsi.Co is a member of the National Gay and Lesbian Chamber of Commerce. (Ford, McDonald's and Wal-Mart withdrew from the NGLCC when asked to do so. Pepsi.Co refused.)
2. Pepsi.Co requires its members to attend diversity training classes promoting the acceptance of homosexuality.
3. Pepsi.Co financially supports "gay pride parades" in cities across America.
4. Pepsi.Co gave a total of $1,000,000 to the Human Rights Campaign (HRC) and Parents, Families and Friends of Lesbians and Gays (PFLAG). HRC gave hundreds of thousands of dollars in an effort to legalize homosexual marriage in California.
5. Pepsi.Co uses its TV commercials to promote the homosexual lifestyle.
This is an affront to make accepted a lifestyle that has been condemned from the beginning of time, and only serves to further degrade, and disemboweling the only institution by which our society is able to stand and be strong, the institution which God firmly ordained in the beginning, and only acceptable to Him - marriage between one man and one woman.
Please contact Pepsi.Co and tell them to stay neutral and remain silent on issues pertaining to our sacred institution of marriage.
You can call Pepsi.Co at 1-914-253-2000 or 1-800-433-2652
This news update coming from AFA (American Family Association).
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'The homosexual agenda?'And what, pray tell, is the homosexual's agenda?
ReplyDeleteI can't wait to hear this line of nonsense.
Jonathan said...
ReplyDeleteAnd what is the homosexual agenda?Jonathan,
It's something that the Left-wing has made an art out of through activism by judicial fiat in usurping the will of the people, and to undermine this country's tradition - a tradition that has been here since the beginning of time and that will never change, when God set the order and definition of family, when He created man and woman.
The homosexual agenda amounts to nothing more than tyranny in disregard for the wishes of the people - just like how they ranted and raved over Prop 8 when the decision was made to keep marriage between a man and a woman. Just like when Perez Hilton called Ms. Prejean filthy names for stating her opinion regarding marriage.
The homosexual agenda is to force their perverted lifestyle into society and change the timeless law of Almighty God, which they will not get very far with...I assure you, as God has never and will never tolerate it, quite simply stated, they'll never succeed in an attempt to change God's ordained order - time has proven it. Genesis 19:1-29, Romans 1:18-32, 2 Peter chapter 2, and Jude 1:5-8 will testify to this.
Starting with Genesis 19:1-29
(Note: Take particular notice as you read Romans, as it mentions 'God gave them up!' three times. Which means that He has turned them over to their own sinful minds to do those things which are contrary to human nature.)
1The two angels came to Sodom in the evening, and Lot was sitting in the gate of Sodom. When Lot saw them, he rose to meet them and bowed himself with his face to the earth 2and said, "My lords, please turn aside to your servant’s house and spend the night and wash your feet. Then you may rise up early and go on your way." They said, "No; we will spend the night in the town square." 3But he pressed them strongly; so they turned aside to him and entered his house. And he made them a feast and baked unleavened bread, and they ate.
4But before they lay down, the men of the city, the men of Sodom, both young and old, all the people to the last man, surrounded the house. 5And they called to Lot, "Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us, that we may know them." 6Lot went out to the men at the entrance, shut the door after him, 7and said, "I beg you, my brothers, do not act so wickedly. 8Behold, I have two daughters who have not known any man. Let me bring them out to you, and do to them as you please. Only do nothing to these men, for they have come under the shelter of my roof." 9But they said, "Stand back!" And they said, "This fellow came to sojourn, and he has become the judge! Now we will deal worse with you than with them." Then they pressed hard against the man Lot, and drew near to break the door down. 10But the men reached out their hands and brought Lot into the house with them and shut the door. 11And they struck with blindness the men who were at the entrance of the house, both small and great, so that they wore themselves out groping for the door.
12Then the men said to Lot, "Have you anyone else here? Sons-in-law, sons, daughters, or anyone you have in the city, bring them out of the place. 13For we are about to destroy this place, because the outcry against its people has become great before the LORD, and the LORD has sent us to destroy it." 14So Lot went out and said to his sons-in-law, who were to marry his daughters, "Up! Get out of this place, for the LORD is about to destroy the city." But he seemed to his sons-in-law to be jesting.
15As morning dawned, the angels urged Lot, saying, "Up! Take your wife and your two daughters who are here, lest you be swept away in the punishment of the city." 16But he lingered. So the men seized him and his wife and his two daughters by the hand, the LORD being merciful to him, and they brought him out and set him outside the city. 17And as they brought them out, one said, "Escape for your life. Do not look back or stop anywhere in the valley. Escape to the hills, lest you be swept away." 18And Lot said to them, "Oh, no, my lords. 19Behold, your servant has found favor in your sight, and you have shown me great kindness in saving my life. But I cannot escape to the hills, lest the disaster overtake me and I die. 20Behold, this city is near enough to flee to, and it is a little one. Let me escape there—is it not a little one?—and my life will be saved!" 21He said to him, "Behold, I grant you this favor also, that I will not overthrow the city of which you have spoken. 22Escape there quickly, for I can do nothing till you arrive there." Therefore the name of the city was called Zoar.
God Destroys Sodom
23The sun had risen on the earth when Lot came to Zoar. 24Then the LORD rained on Sodom and Gomorrah sulfur and fire from the LORD out of heaven. 25And he overthrew those cities, and all the valley, and all the inhabitants of the cities, and what grew on the ground. 26But Lot’s wife, behind him, looked back, and she became a pillar of salt.
27And Abraham went early in the morning to the place where he had stood before the LORD. 28And he looked down toward Sodom and Gomorrah and toward all the land of the valley, and he looked and, behold, the smoke of the land went up like the smoke of a furnace.
29So it was that, when God destroyed the cities of the valley, God remembered Abraham and sent Lot out of the midst of the overthrow when he overthrew the cities in which Lot had lived.
Romans 1:18-32
18For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth. 19For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. 20For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse. 21For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Claiming to be wise, they became fools, 23and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man and birds and animals and creeping things.
24Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves, 25because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen.
26For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; 27and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.
28And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done. 29They were filled with all manner of unrighteousness, evil, covetousness, malice. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, maliciousness. They are gossips, 30slanderers, haters of God, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, 31foolish, faithless, heartless, ruthless. 32Though they know God’s decree that those who practice such things deserve to die, they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them.
2 Peter 2:4-22
4For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but cast them into hell and committed them to chains of gloomy darkness to be kept until the judgment; 5if he did not spare the ancient world, but preserved Noah, a herald of righteousness, with seven others, when he brought a flood upon the world of the ungodly; 6if by turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah to ashes he condemned them to extinction, making them an example of what is going to happen to the ungodly; 7and if he rescued righteous Lot, greatly distressed by the sensual conduct of the wicked 8(for as that righteous man lived among them day after day, he was tormenting his righteous soul over their lawless deeds that he saw and heard); 9then the Lord knows how to rescue the godly from trials, and to keep the unrighteous under punishment until the day of judgment, 10and especially those who indulge in the lust of defiling passion and despise authority.
Bold and willful, they do not tremble as they blaspheme the glorious ones, 11whereas angels, though greater in might and power, do not pronounce a blasphemous judgment against them before the Lord. 12But these, like irrational animals, creatures of instinct, born to be caught and destroyed, blaspheming about matters of which they are ignorant, will also be destroyed in their destruction, 13suffering wrong as the wage for their wrongdoing. They count it pleasure to revel in the daytime. They are blots and blemishes, reveling in their deceptions, while they feast with you. 14They have eyes full of adultery, insatiable for sin. They entice unsteady souls. They have hearts trained in greed. Accursed children! 15Forsaking the right way, they have gone astray. They have followed the way of Balaam, the son of Beor, who loved gain from wrongdoing, 16but was rebuked for his own transgression; a speechless donkey spoke with human voice and restrained the prophet’s madness.
17These are waterless springs and mists driven by a storm. For them the gloom of utter darkness has been reserved. 18For, speaking loud boasts of folly, they entice by sensual passions of the flesh those who are barely escaping from those who live in error. 19They promise them freedom, but they themselves are slaves of corruption. For whatever overcomes a person, to that he is enslaved. 20For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world through the knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the last state has become worse for them than the first. 21For it would have been better for them never to have known the way of righteousness than after knowing it to turn back from the holy commandment delivered to them. 22What the true proverb says has happened to them: "The dog returns to its own vomit, and the sow, after washing herself, returns to wallow in the mire."
Jude 1:5-8
5Now I want to remind you, although you once fully knew it, that Jesus, who saved a people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed those who did not believe. 6And the angels who did not stay within their own position of authority, but left their proper dwelling, he has kept in eternal chains under gloomy darkness until the judgment of the great day— 7just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities, which likewise indulged in sexual immorality and pursued unnatural desire, serve as an example by undergoing a punishment of eternal fire.
8Yet in like manner these people also, relying on their dreams, defile the flesh, reject authority, and blaspheme the glorious ones.
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ReplyDeleteQuite the lengthy non-answer to Jonathan's question.
ReplyDeleteTell us how permitting gay people the same legal rights and privileges enjoyed by straight people endangers YOUR "life, fortune and sacred honor." Does it require you to change your own marital practices? Impose a quota system mandating that you have X-number of gay friends? Does the mere existence of gay marriage give you HIV, or just the vapours? Does it allow the Fed to spirit your kid away to a month long Gay Indoctrination Camp in the summer?
Is Iowa burning yet? Has the Massachusetts sky fallen, or Maine been engulfed by a plague of killer lobsters? And, in fact, I think most of Canada has been functioning normally for quite a while.
Does equal treatment under the law, in fact, force you to deny your own belief system, blaspheme, commit adultery, or in any other way shed your shining robes of puffed-up self-righteous blindness?
Of course it doesn't. That would be as ridiculous as suggesting that having a vegetarian neighbor would prevent you from hosting a backyard BBQ or ordering a burger in a restaurant. As crazy as saying that women who wear pants as well as skirts are destroying society as we know it by their choice of clothing.
If you truly believe as you do, why make all the fuss? After all, you say that God will take care of everything, and wipe out these unholy activists who dare to suggest that those who do not share your beliefs have just as much right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness as yourself. Why not sit back and wait for everyone but your narrow-minded coterie to experience the full force of Divine Retribution, and then give voice to the full-throated "I TOLD you so!" that I sense you are barely holding back? You know you want to. And don't even begin to offer the usual tripe about "We love our gay brothers and sisters and just want to bring them to the light." When your rhetoric is laden with terms like "usurped," "undermined," "ranted and raved," "forced," "filthy" and "perverted"....well, you have a long way to go to persuade anybody that it's all about the Love, with vitriol like that.
I think that at the end of the day you're just SCARED, Jeremiah. That all the scary gay rights you fear will come to pass despite your bleating...and nothing will happen. Life will go on. God won't descend in a fiery cloud to wreak havoc on everyone you dislike. The weakness of your faith will be exposed. That is the hollow heart of all your rhetoric - the anxiety that, if the world doesn't reorder itself into your preferred image, you will be proven wrong.
Uncertainty is challenging, Jeremiah. Get used to it.
Tell us how permitting gay people the same legal rights and privileges enjoyed by straight people endangers YOUR "life, fortune and sacred honor.Well, first of all, the word is not "gay," but homosexual ... there can be no "happy" homosexuals, or sodomites (as those in the time of Sodom are an example of those to come - thus, the term 'sodomite.' And they still are to this day, and will always be).
ReplyDeletePermitting homosexuals to "marry" doesn't endanger my 'life, fortunes, and sacred honor' in any way, as my rights do not come from any homosexual political faction, whether they be left-wing or right-wing ... however, it does endanger the time honored tradition of America, which has maintained God's order and all nations who do, have remained blessed and those nations who haven't have been brought down.
So, it's not my 'life, fortune, or sacred honor' that allowing homosexuals endangers, but it is the entire nation's. As it is history that has proven this. It is the duty of every nation to uphold God's law.
Government was ordained in the beginning when God created man and woman, as man and woman are the definition of family and family is the basis for government.
I think that at the end of the day you're just SCARED, Jeremiah.Ha ha. No, I'm definitely not scared. But I do fear God and want to obey His commands, and you should too.
Scripture says ... "Fear the One who after He has killed, has the power to put you in hell. Yes, I say, 'fear Him.'
Uncertainty is challenging, Jeremiah.I am in no way "uncertain" of anything, as God has always been true to His word. He has never forsaken His people, and nor will He ever.
definitely not scaredReally, Jeremiah? Not even a little? Then why are you so anxious to fearmonger in others' direction, threatening hellfire and brimstone toward anyone who disagrees with you and your point of view, all in the ostensible name of your "loving" deity? You purport to follow Christ, but it's far more the vengeful and violent Yahweh with whom you seem to identify.
ReplyDeleteI would further point out that you failed to answer this salient question I posed:
Does equal treatment under the law, in fact, force you to deny your own belief system, blaspheme, commit adultery, or in any other way shed your shining robes of puffed-up self-righteous blindness?To put it more bluntly, then: a legal ruling allowing other people to live their lives as their consciences dictate, in no way obligates YOU to follow their practices at the expense of your own. You're completely free to follow your chosen path.
Why, exactly, do you then seek to deny others the same freedom of belief that you exercise? Don't you believe in free will? If you DO, then you have to allow for free choices, not some kind of spiritual coercion. So why NOT permit what is personally repugnant to you? You'll still be OK, according to your criteria. And if you don't allow alternatives to your point of view, then nobody else has the opportunity to exercise their own free will and come to your God willingly.
Would you agree that an enforced conversion is no real conversion at all? And, if you would, how would you square that with your opposition to anything that would allow for any point of view but yours?
And here's a fresh question for you, Jeremiah. Do you push this you're-going-to-hell point of view on your Jewish friends? (Well, assuming you have any, which I can't speak to.) After all, you and they share the same Omnipotent Paternal Sky God. Do you poke at them to accept the Jesus whose gospel of acceptance and compassion your every post seems to repudiate, or do you shrug and wink and look the other way?
Inquiring minds want to know.
RE: Not even a little?Not even a little!
ReplyDeleteAs I said, whom I fear is the law and law-man, but most importantly the Law-Giver, who is Almighty God Himself.
God created the government by laying the foundation for it through creating man and woman. Government was instituted under His guidelines, and the law that He has created, which makes it the only law that there is, is meant for unbelievers, ungodly, murderers, and perverts.
Why, exactly, do you then seek to deny others the same freedom of belief that you exercise? Don't you believe in free will? If you DO, then you have to allow for free choices, not some kind of spiritual coercion. So why NOT permit what is personally repugnant to you? You'll still be OK, according to your criteria.I'll still be ok regardless. You can poke yourself in the eye and it won't threaten me, you can lop and ear off and it wouldn't threaten me, you can commit suicide and it won't threaten me...you could become a willing participant in cannibalism and it wouldn't threaten me...you see where I'm going here?
The same goes with sodomy, but the point here is that, while it may not harm me on an individual basis...on a societal scale, you run into societal chaos, and that's why we shouldn't be teaching it in our schools, and the government shouldn't be permitting groups to encourage it...just like we don't encourage children to poke themselves in the eye with a stick. And overall, you're getting the same effect with these acts, it's just as harmful if not more-so.
Would you agree that an enforced conversion is no real conversion at all?Of course!
And, if you would, how would you square that with your opposition to anything that would allow for any point of view but yours?Those who are born-again Christians do not force people to be converted, that is a personal choice between them and God. However, there are civil laws, and the basis for civil law I outlined for you in the above paragraphs. God knew there would be unbelievers, and this is the reason that He created the civil law for the benefit of His people, because He loves them and wants to protect them. God uses the civil law to help steer us toward Christ, so that we might be saved.
And to add to the "permitting groups" section ... I would also say, the government shouldn't be permitting groups to defend sodomy, such as the ACLU.
ReplyDeleteYou can poke yourself in the eye and it won't threaten me, you can lop and [sic.] ear off and it wouldn't threaten me, you can commit suicide and it won't threaten me...you could become a willing participant in cannibalism and it wouldn't threaten me...you see where I'm going here?
ReplyDeleteThe same goes with sodomy, but the point here is that, while it may not harm me on an individual basis...on a societal scale, you run into societal chaos, and that's why we shouldn't be teaching it in our schools, and the government shouldn't be permitting groups to encourage it...just like we don't encourage children to poke themselves in the eye with a stick. And overall, you're getting the same effect with these acts, it's just as harmful if not more-so.Show me the evidence, Jeremiah. Demonstrate to me that children in the USA's public schools are being "taught sodomy." Post a PDF of the worksheet elementary school kids are bringing home to fill out on the subject, or the assigned middle-school essay on "My Favorite Sexual Kink." Link to the "Go, Sodomy, Go!" rallies being held alongside cheerleading and intramural sports in high schools to encourage the practice.
If you can't do that, then your whole exposition above amounts to claiming that the public schools are in fact teaching kids to poke their eyes with sticks, and with government endorsement...without a single shred of backup.
Can't do it, can you? Imagine my shock.
Societal chaos, bah. The fact is that you dislike your personally and willfully distorted version of a point of view held by a stratum of society with which you disagree, so you build up a blustering head of outrage, and scapegoat that favorite of right-wing targets, public education, as promoting something that couldn't be further from their agenda as educators.
As a former teacher and a friend of teachers, trust me, Jeremiah - teaching nouns and verbs, the times table, history and science and music and art, are all far more important to teachers than the kind of bizarre Lifestyle Promotion Effort you like to imagine. But thanks for playing.
By the way, Jer. Do you have kids? Or are you a teacher? Because if you don't, or you aren't, I submit that you are unqualified to opine on the state of American public schooling, by the fact of simple disassociation.
…the basis for civil law I outlined for you in the above paragraphs. God knew there would be unbelievers, and this is the reason that He created the civil law for the benefit of His people, because He loves them and wants to protect them. God uses the civil law to help steer us toward Christ, so that we might be saved.What about the passage referencing "rendering unto Caesar" and "rendering unto God" do you still not GET, Jeremiah? Can the distinction between the two systems be made clearer? Biblically, I mean? Civil law is by definition a civilian - aka, a secular - function. It is not created by the Bearded Dude In The Sky, ordained by whatever preacher you care to nominate, nor handed down from the Vatican or sung by a muezzin from a minaret or communicated in Buddhist meditation. It is civilian: of the people and the people's general business, irrespective of faith.
Google "Justinian." Google the "Code of Hammurabi." Google "Napoleonic Code." It's all there for you. In fact, if you believe what you read on Wikipedia - which I don't recommend wholesale - then civil law with a religious basis seems to be the territory of Islamic Law.
Imagine that. The factual support for your point of view is to be found primarily in Sharia law.
Perhaps you are on an evangelical jihad of sorts?
Nonetheless, Jeremiah, I hope that you will one day see your way clear to a more live-and-let-live point of view as regards your fellow man. Your narrow view of how others' beliefs and actions impacts your own life and conduct limits YOU more than it does anyone else.
I pity you.
RE: Show me the evidence, Jeremiah. Demonstrate to me that children in the USA's public schools are being "taught sodomy." Post a PDF of the worksheet elementary school kids are bringing home to fill out on the subject, or the assigned middle-school essay on "My Favorite Sexual Kink." Link to the "Go, Sodomy, Go!" rallies being held alongside cheerleading and intramural sports in high schools to encourage the practice."
ReplyDeleteEvery public atheist controlled school teaches sex education, except for private, faith-based schools who do not share the sinful sentiments of those who control the larger majority of schools which are comprised of public atheist schools. That is why there are increasing abortions, STDs, broken families etc. As it reflects on their educational background in the public educational system.
Public schools are designated by the government and ACLU to teach their agendas...thus, the curriculum comes from those who carefully craft the wording to fit the atheists definitions, which comes from Planned Parenthood. Planned Parenthood encourages deviancy, most noted is homosexuality.
Much of what Planned Parenthood teaches is provided at their very own web-site...
www.plannedparenthood.org/teen-talk/
There is plenty of evidence besides Planned Parenthood's site to prove that sex education is doing grave harm to our nation. The statistics alone are enough evidence.
"If you can't do that, then your whole exposition above amounts to claiming that the public schools are in fact teaching kids to poke their eyes with sticks, and with government endorsement...without a single shred of backup."
I really don't have to provide anything. Like I said, the statistics, and reality show that what is currently taught as so-called "sex education" .... provided by Planned Parenthood and other atheist organizations are and is advocating a dangerous lifestyle, that of homosexuality.
And you get the point, with the, poking in the eye with a stick analogy...it's wrong, and it's not the only thing that is considered wrong...there are many things that the government and public schools shouldn't be encouraging, and homosexuality is one of them.
"Can't do it, can you? Imagine my shock."
HA HA HA! Go ahead! Bury your head in the sand ... or maybe those evil spirits are taking care of that for you. Maybe you're listening to them instead of the right person...I'd say that's more close to reality than not. But you must understand, that when you allow the devil to fill your head with thoughts, you're believing lies that will do you way more harm than good. And trust me, you will be in for a might big shock one of these days...but it will be too late.
My advice ... You need a personal relationship with Jesus Christ.
"Societal chaos, bah."
It will catch up with you too, as long as you are encouraging it and giving it a chance. Mark my words!
"The fact is that you dislike your personally and willfully distorted version of a point of view held by a stratum of society with which you disagree, so you build up a blustering head of outrage, and scapegoat that favorite of right-wing targets, public education, as promoting something that couldn't be further from their agenda as educators."
ReplyDeleteNo, the fact is, you have no idea what you're talking about...you have no earthly clue.
As I have already shown with the sites and statistics to prove it...go back through some of the threads, and you will see.
But no, you choose to stick your head in the sand, and do like most atheist liberals...a don't confuse me with the facts mentality.
Well, regardless, there is one fact that you will not escape, that you cannot ignore...and you will stand before Him and give an account in answer for your misdeeds.
"As a former teacher and a friend of teachers, trust me, Jeremiah - teaching nouns and verbs, the times table, history and science and music and art, are all far more important to teachers than the kind of bizarre Lifestyle Promotion Effort you like to imagine."
It would really be a relief to know that children aren't being indoctrinated to walk in lockstep with the atheist pinheads at the ACLU and Planned Parenthood...needless to say, I'm afraid it's true...so try again next time.
"By the way, Jer. Do you have kids? Or are you a teacher? Because if you don't, or you aren't, I submit that you are unqualified to opine on the state of American public schooling, by the fact of simple disassociation."
No, unfortunately, I'm not a parent, or a teacher...but there are people teaching who are unqualified to teach...namely the government...yes, the government is very much unqualified to teach...because they are punching their nose in where they have no business...most notably that of Christianity and the First Amendment. And you are also unqualified to teach for your ignorance on these matters.
"What about the passage referencing "rendering unto Caesar" and "rendering unto God" do you still not GET, Jeremiah?"
Right. That is regarding the laying of, and collection of taxes...give to God ten percent and so forth. It is in no way referencing to speech or conscience; because the government's responsibility is to defend and protect what is good, right and holy under God.
I'll answer your other questions later....that's enough to chew on for now.
ReplyDeleteOh, there you are at last, Jeremiah. Wondered where you had gotten to. Thank goodness you're not breeding, at least. That is reassuring to hear.
ReplyDeleteI seem to have struck quite a nerve. Let's review.
"Public atheist schools." Wow. Quite the catch-phrase. Did you make that up by yourself, or borrow it from some other right-wing batshit-crazy web site?
Public, Jeremiah, means PUBLIC. As in, of or pertaining to the people. That will, inevitably, include people who disagree with some of YOUR and by extension your hypothetical child's own personal beliefs. Religious, political, private, etc. That does not automatically make public schooling a de facto instrument of evil. My child attends school with Buddhists and Jews and Christians and those of no declared belief. Some of her classmates are vegetarians. Some are even hockey fans. Some of her teachers are all or some of the above. Some of them are straight, and some are gay. It doesn't matter in any respect when it comes to the quality of her education, which I have to say is second to none.
I don't lose any sleep fretting that she is being indoctrinated into some kind of world-view that is going to turn her against what she has learned at home. Admittedly, I would probably not be as personally upset about that as YOU are prepared to be - it's her life and she has the right to live it according to her own conscience, even should she choose tomorrow to become an evangelical missionary in Bolivia, against my wishes - but it's a neglectful parent or a foolish, one-dimensional citizen who blames public schools and the ACLU for all that he or she opposes.
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As to your "personal relationship with Christ" admonition in my direction, Jer...save it. Chalk my disagreement with your world-view up to "evil spirits" if it helps you cope, but you're talking in terminology I don't acknowledge or recognize. My spirituality is my own concern, not yours. Label it "evil" if that gives you comfort, but understand that your importunings don't affect me in the slightest. In fact...you're kind of funny.
By the way, you have labeled me as an atheist. I am not. Chew on that one for a while.
And, to wind up for now...
the government's responsibility is to defend and protect what is good, right and holy under God.Excuse me? May I direct you to the text of the First Amendment to the Constitution, known as the first article of the Bill of Rights?:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.So, explain to me, please, how Congress - not establishing a specific religion - is somehow charged as a part of the government with "defend(ing) and protect(ing) what is good, right and holy under God"?You are living in a fantasy America, Jeremiah - a Christian Disneyland where everything is draped simultaneously in the Cross and the Flag. Wake UP. The world is larger than your own perspective, and you badly need to stop being so threatened by others' expression of their beliefs as somehow trampling on yours. Have the freaking courage of your convictions, and quit taking potshots at others. Stand your ground with dignity...and without the spitballs.
OK, I have to go back and still refute this:
ReplyDeleteGod created the government by laying the foundation for it through creating man and woman.So, Jeremiah. Now you're saying that some kind of divine fiat that established two genders, male and female, established the basis for government as we presently know it?
How do you remotely begin to justify that outrageous claim?
I call B.S.
Hoping that your landscape shots and your bees will bury this challenge to your viewpoint, Jeremiah?
ReplyDeleteNot happening.
RE: Hoping that your landscape shots and your bees will bury this challenge to your viewpoint, Jeremiah?
ReplyDeleteI apologize for not getting back to you sooner. Conflicting schedules permit me only so much time to add a worthy length of time in contribution to the discussion, usually in the mornings or at night.
Now, you had a question? Alright, I'll do the best I can.
Now you're saying that some kind of divine fiat that established two genders, male and female, established the basis for government as we presently know it?
Yes, God created the very first form of government, as it were, in the beginning when He created man and woman.
God was, is, and always will be the ruler, or judge of everything...you see, He not only Created it, He orders it and judges it all at the same time, and no matter the situation, whether good or bad, He always gets the glory ... like say our President Obama...he may have intentions for bad, which differentiate from tradition or how God ordered it to be in the beginning, and will carry through with those intentions...but in the end, God will turn his intentions around for good, so that He gets all the glory, and President Obama left wondering ... "Why?"
Take for example the Israelites, when God sent them into the wilderness, and Pharaoh's army pursued them...and so the Lord led them on a strange route, and the Israelites grumbled and complained the entire way, not understanding that God was doing it for their sake...and He helped them along the way, with a pillar of cloud by day and a pillar of fire by night and it stayed with them always, and Pharaoh thought he had them cornered and would catch them because the Lord had hardened his heart and he turned his anger toward the people, not knowing his fate that lay ahead...when the Lord told Moses to stretch his hand out over the sea and open it up so that the Israelites could cross over and when the Egyptians came through to cross he commanded the sea to be shut, and they shut swallowing up Pharaoh's army.
And in the end, the Israelites faith was nearly unshakable. And in any military victory it is that way, because the Lord Himself is the ensign of His people. The true victors.
God demands obedience, and where His rule of command is not met, destruction quickly follows. Sodom and Gomorrah for example, they stand as an example of those who will suffer the punishment of eternal fire immediately at the Judgment day.
Some think that they will thwart God's plans, but God in His mercy and power will reprove them and show them that ... yes indeed, He is in command! and only His way will succeed in the end!
You see, God, He is Independent, Autonomous, and has unlimited Governing Authority - Whereas, man, as God's creation, is dependent upon God. Man's institutions are delegated to him by God. And thereby, man has limited governing authority as it applies to his role in civil government.
The Bible - Family - Church - and Civil government ... all, except the first one, the Bible, are self-governing institutions. The Bible is the foundation whereby the three main institutions of society must operate.
If it is not obeyed, then chaos and civil unrest soon follow as I said before.
In family, it follows the biblical model of all governments - parents are the sovereign rulers of family, and are to exemplify in the same manner that God rules over them, to their children.
The husband or father, represents Christ, head over wife and children, as Christ is head of the Church, and both mother and children are accountable to the husband...as we, as Christ's followers, are accountable to God the Father.
Parents also have jurisdiction to mete out sanctions, so that their children will be corrected and instructed in the way of the Lord.
Ask yourself, why did Jesus receive such an inheritance? Faithfulness.
In the same way, we have that same assurance of eternal life through Jesus Christ Our Lord, who shed His precious blood on Calvary.
God bless!
No, Jeremiah. I did not "have a question". That would presuppose that I look upon you as some sort of authority, and I do not. In any respect.
ReplyDeleteYour argument falls prey to the fallacious and humanly unverifiable assertion that the Bible truly is the ultimate authority over everything.
Obviously you believe that viewpoint, and equally as obviously I dispute that viewpoint. So we are never going to see eye-to-eye on this matter, even if you quote your chosen Scripture in my direction until you are blue in the face. From where I stand, you might as well be reciting the roto-rooter listings from your nearest phone book.
But let's think about this in a more free-form fashion. You claim that all current government - and, I would infer, all current societal structure - flows from Biblical principles. Even the matter of gay marriage.
Is that an extensible premise? Does Biblical authority govern present-day internet protocols? Solar energy? The postal service? PayPal? iTunes?
When we talk about the Bible, Jer, we are not in fact talking about a document transmitted wholesale, like some kind of celestial radio broadcast, to humanity directly from God - from ANY "god" - as to eternal and immutable matters. We are talking about an ancient document, assembled over time by numerous authors (as evidenced by its chapter titles, mainly acknowledging the writers), multiply-translated and multiply-edited, to arrive at its present form (or forms, there being many), reflecting the explanations of a primitive society for the phenomena it observed.
Do you eat shellfish? Do you wear cotton and wool at the same time? Oh-oh, Jeremiah: you've sinned against the book you claim is the foundation of EVERYTHING.
Now, don't get me wrong. Even though I do not share your beliefs, I think much (even, most) of Jesus' message is valuable and important. I only wish that more of his followers heeded what he had to say about the poor and the needy and the suffering, instead of bloviating endlessly on issues that focus more on controlling the lives of others than on lending succor to those in need.
I don't have to believe as you do to recognize Jesus as someone who had useful lessons to teach.
But, at the same time...come ON, Jer. Draw every line back to God, and you're undermining the concept of civil government - something equally at the core of the Founding Fathers' concept for America - at its foundations.
Your point of view is as much as to say that nothing can or should ever change, because the Bible is unchanging, because the interpretation you accept of it is unchanging, and so on and so on.
Imagine if the Founding Fathers had shared that point of view - that blind, unquestioning reverence for received authority and top-down obedience without demur. Might we all not be now singing "God Save The Queen"?
Think about it, Jer. I know you and yours like to link your faith to the kick-against-the-traces impulse of the Puritan colonists. But in the arguments you are making now, are you not arguing as much for the same kind of religious status quo that those colonists pushed back against?
At the end of the day, Jeremiah, I think you're a fraud. You like to cheer on your personal faith when it supports what the government advocates, and when the government veers from your wishes, you balk.
You simply want the world to fall obligingly in line with your point of view.
Sorry. It's not happening. It won't affect for a moment your personal life. You can continue to be the zealot you are.
But the world will go onward and forward without your guidance.
Also, I would just say...kindly forego that hypocritical "God bless!" at the end of your latest post. The "HA HA HA" diatribe in your earlier response reveals your interpersonal bankruptcy in full, so don't even begin to try to deploy any mitigating rhetoric. You don't remotely want YOUR "God" to "bless" me in any respect, so you might as well own up to that from here and now.
ReplyDeleteRE: Also, I would just say...kindly forego that hypocritical "God bless!" at the end of your latest post.
ReplyDeleteI sincerely pray that God does bless you, my friend, and I believe with all of my heart that He will. Without a doubt! And if you are obedient to His Word and the calling of His Holy Spirit, you will see too.
So, no regrets at all!
The "HA HA HA" diatribe in your earlier response reveals your interpersonal bankruptcy in full, so don't even begin to try to deploy any mitigating rhetoric.
Although it is not funny as to your level of certainty that God will not do as He has promised...I do find it funny, because I know God always does what He promises, always. God never backs down. Even though Satan is a formidable foe, and is a powerful force in tempting man in the flesh...he is less than nothing to the God of Creation.
So, trying to convince me of what you think will or will not happen.
As the truth always prevails.
Also, remember that you are being afforded the opportunity to post at my site...it's one thing to agree to disagree, but it is another to try and demand that the owner of the site to bow down to your ideology. If you can't respect my views enough in which you disagree with, but instead demand that it is going to be your way, then I would rather that you go somewhere else where you can mingle your thoughts with those who share them.
On the other hand, on this site I intend to spread the truth. And that is all, nothing less.
Too, being that we disagree on the issues, and you are not willing to accept my opinions for what they are...I really have no interest in debating with you...there's no need in it, it's foolishness, because I have more and better things to do than to sit around arguing over trivialities that are beyond my grasp, that are better left to God in prayer.
And even though you aren't going to like it, I will post one more rebuttal to your arguments while I'm at it...
No, Jeremiah. I did not "have a question".
Well, okay, then you shouldn't have put a question mark (?) after some of your statements, as that's what they're supposed to be, is statements, not questions. I will tell you quite frankly, there's no need for you to question my thinking...I know where I stand...and at this point, there's not much you can do to change what I think...I would never compromise my beliefs for the sake of someone is on shaky ground as it is. In other words, 'I am not for sale' ... and my family is not for sale ... my church is not for sale ... and my country is not for sale.
Take it or leave it, that's just how it is, and how it will be.
That would presuppose that I look upon you as some sort of authority, and I do not. In any respect.
Well, you have part of it right, I don't have any authority, because all authority is in God, and any authority that I might have is delegated to me through Him.
Your argument falls prey to the fallacious and humanly unverifiable assertion that the Bible truly is the ultimate authority over everything.
Well, no, it doesn't fall "prey" and nor is it an "unverifiable assertion."
God is the Ultimate Authority, and there is nothing that you can do to make Him go away...He is always here, and nothing will move Him. Although, He will sometimes turn His back on people...that is only because they disobey Him and what His Word says, but nothing will ever shake Him, or make Him go away. He is immovable.
There's a song that deals with that ... that says, some of the words anyway ... "He picked Me up, and He set my feet on a steady rock."
He is our rock, our hope, our salvation. And no man will stand without Him. His Word (The Bible) is His law that is given to us.
Obviously you believe that viewpoint, and equally as obviously I dispute that viewpoint. So we are never going to see eye-to-eye on this matter, even if you quote your chosen Scripture in my direction until you are blue in the face. From where I stand, you might as well be reciting the roto-rooter listings from your nearest phone book.
ReplyDeleteThat is all fine and dandy. And God's standards will never change, so you can fight Him tooth and nail, but it doesn't do anything to shake God or get Him to go way ... the only thing that it really does is damage your hope of eternal salvation.
But let's think about this in a more free-form fashion. You claim that all current government - and, I would infer, all current societal structure - flows from Biblical principles. Even the matter of gay marriage.
Actually, government and societal structure as it is defined by God, yes.
Homosexual "marriage"? No. It has no part of society, because it was never intended to be, as God condemned it. That is the only way that it is mentioned in the Bible...it is spoken against in the Bible, for it is wicked, and contrary to nature, the way God made us. God created us as His creation to be united One man to One woman.
Is that an extensible premise?
Yes, but only as it relates to those who are willing to open their heart and mind up to the infilling of God's Holy Spirit who writes His law upon our heart...and through faith, He keeps us in His will, reminding us of what is right and what is wrong, which is why He provided us with His Word...to study daily so that we may show ourselves approved, workmen that need not be ashamed, rightly dividing the Word of Truth.
Does Biblical authority govern present-day internet protocols?
No, God's power is what governs the universe...He is the kinetic energy, the light, the centrifugal force, the motion, the growing, the life, the everything...just like I am typing this message to you now...it is only because of His power, that holds me together, that I am able to have the strength and the ability to even type one letter. He gives the wisdom, the courage, the love, and the grace to it all. However, He doesn't concern Himself much with what is going on in this world, as He has given the world to Satan to rule over until He returns. The material is immaterial to God. God is more concerned about what is going on in peoples hearts, those who will accept Him as their Lord and Savior...and just like now, for those who will allow Him to work through them, He gives others a chance to hear the message for those that will hear.
Solar energy?
Yes, God holds it together and gives it energy to put forth light.
The postal service? PayPal? iTunes?
Those are all material things ... but those who use those services for service to God, or for themselves ... either way, God gets the glory, and it was only through Him that those things were enabled to come into existence.
God created for us, and provided for us a material brain..and in order to understand fully what drives the brain to put the body into action, there is a third element, which God enabled us with apart from every other creature...the Spirit.
You see, the brain and mind are two separate entities...the brain is material, but the mind works from the driving force of the Spirit, you see.
When we talk about the Bible, Jer, we are not in fact talking about a document transmitted wholesale, like some kind of celestial radio broadcast, to humanity directly from God - from ANY "god" - as to eternal and immutable matters. We are talking about an ancient document, assembled over time by numerous authors (as evidenced by its chapter titles, mainly acknowledging the writers), multiply-translated and multiply-edited, to arrive at its present form (or forms, there being many), reflecting the explanations of a primitive society for the phenomena it observed.
ReplyDeleteYes, but the only difference in the authors of the Bible is that they were divinely inspired...and that was through their unwavering faith...all people have that same ability today, and the same miracles that happened then still happen today ... you know, someone may look at an extraordinary happening, say..like the guy who landed the plane in New York in the freezing water...and they would think of the pilot as the one to thank for doing such a good job...but you see, in any circumstance like that God is guiding both the pilot and the plane with His hand of protection over the pilot and all the people in it ... it was not because he was a "good" pilot, it was God's mercy ... God could have done anything He wanted to with that plane and everyone would have perished...but, being the merciful God that God that He is, He chose to save those people...and He done that for a reason, and He had someone in mind when He done it, and probably more than one, too.
God works through those who allow Him, and those likewise who don't allow Him....He always gets the glory! Always!
Do you eat shellfish?
Yes, I do.
Do you wear cotton and wool at the same time?
Yep, sure do.
Oh-oh, Jeremiah: you've sinned against the book you claim is the foundation of EVERYTHING.
But it would be better if you had a clear understanding of what the time and place for those laws and what they were about before you go spouting off about what you have 'no understanding'...
During the time of Moses, God used Moses to instruct the Israelites regarding the principles of cleanliness, showing them that, though all corpses are unclean some perfectly healthy creatures are also stated to be unclean in a milder sense and therefore must not be eaten. Although some of the forbidden animals posed a possible health threat i,e. pigs as carriers of trichinosis, this classification is not based simply on health grounds. Rather, the principle teaches basic moral and spiritual truths. Carnivorous animals and birds of prey eat flesh with blood in it, something forbidden to human beings Such animals also contact corpses, which are unclean. The clean creatures here symbolize Israelites, while unclean animals symbolize gentiles. Only domesticated clean animals may be offered in sacrifice, for the sacrificial animal represents the offerer. In restricting his diet to clean animals, the Israelite was reminded that God had chosen Israel alone among the nations. Only when the new covenant admitted Gentiles to the community of God were the food laws abrogated.
And later, Jesus came as the ultimate sacrifice for all mankind.
Now, don't get me wrong. Even though I do not share your beliefs, I think much (even, most) of Jesus' message is valuable and important. I only wish that more of his followers heeded what he had to say about the poor and the needy and the suffering, instead of bloviating endlessly on issues that focus more on controlling the lives of others than on lending succor to those in need.
ReplyDeleteI wish, too, that others would heed calling of Christ to be charitable with the poor...and that is why we need more ministers of the gospel preaching the truth...as Jesus is not in the business of taking from others to give to the poor, and He doesn't want the government in the business of it either ... no, Jesus wants us to give from the heart. And in that regard the best charity one can give is a kind word and being a witness to them, as heaven is worth more than all the silver and gold that this earth holds.
And as far as "controlling the lives of others" that is a matter of personal choice, that is why our Constitution remains neutral on matters of religion...in other words, the State has no business meddling in Church affairs. But they are no "separate". Also, states are not to be neutral on matters of religion as opposed to the Federal authority. The family and federal both rest on Jesus Christ.
I don't have to believe as you do to recognize Jesus as someone who had useful lessons to teach.
No, you don't "have" to believe as I do, but the attributes and truths of Jesus are recognized by those who want to follow and obey His Word. So you cannot say ... "This is what I like...but this I don't" and then try to brush it under the rug. Trying then to use His Word to fit your worldly desires and schemes of the devil.
Draw every line back to God, and you're undermining the concept of civil government - something equally at the core of the Founding Fathers' concept for America - at its foundations.
No, not every line, because some of the lines that are drawn are those who draw them to Satan or themselves.
All concepts that work, and that ensure stability and securing of our God-given rights go directly to God - and again, the main institutions are Family - Church - And Civil. They link directly to God in order to give them life and vibrancy. But when they are cut off and linked to man, then the institutions die and the nation as a whole dies.
There is only life in Jesus Christ. Remember that.
Our Founding Father's recognized that fact, profoundly. As at that time, the precepts of Christianity were universally recognized throughout the United States as the faith of the people, and thereby, creating a bill of rights that restricted the government's power over the states...giving people the freedom that the God of Creation afforded them ... of course, all of that has been undermined since, as the interpretations have been changed to take away the freedoms of the states. Many states, however, are beginning to realize it at this dark hour in our country, and are thus, beginning to acknowledge their own sovereignty as independent states, in order to stave off the government's intrusion into their states business.
Your point of view is as much as to say that nothing can or should ever change, because the Bible is unchanging, because the interpretation you accept of it is unchanging, and so on and so on.
ReplyDeleteCorrect. God does not change, and our Founding Fathers never foresaw change, either. And that is as it relates to basic rights, dependent on the God of Creation.
Not all change is bad, though, like the indoor toilet, or the air conditioner, or cars etc ... those things help us to live healthier more comfortable lives, but they should not take the place of God, who is to be praised in it all. It's just in the moral law of God that never changes.
Imagine if the Founding Fathers had shared that point of view - that blind, unquestioning reverence for received authority and top-down obedience without demur. Might we all not be now singing "God Save The Queen"?
The Founding Father's had many things to question except their faith, which was emphatically and solely that of the Christian faith.
They operated solely on the basis of Scripture for their law, because the law was meant for unbelievers, ungodly, perverts, those who kill their mothers and fathers (murderers). And the State was meant for the protection of the Godly, the Christian people and their families.
At the end of the day, Jeremiah, I think you're a fraud. You like to cheer on your personal faith when it supports what the government advocates, and when the government veers from your wishes, you balk.
LOL. Hey, look, you can think of me whatever you want to think, it doesn't bother me in the least. Because where I stand, I know the truth...and I wouldn't turn back from it now for all the world. This world offers nothing.
You simply want the world to fall obligingly in line with your point of view.
No, I just like sharing my opinions with others...that they might have a ray of hope in such a dark world.
the world will go onward and forward without your guidance.
Indeed, it will...but I will continue to do what I can for the Lord while I'm still here until His return.
God bless you!
Busy Bee you have been, Jeremiah, in response to my comments. I sincerely thank you for taking the time. You at least seem to have the courage of your convictions, and that is admirable in spirit if not necessarily in the content thereof, as I look upon it. So, more power to you. You probably walk the walk as well as talk the talk that you preach, and that is both rare and admirable.
ReplyDeleteI must continue to disagree with you in that the issue of "controlling the lives of others" is "a matter of personal choice," because it is in point of fact the mission of you and those who share your beliefs to enforce those beliefs upon others: in matters of personal unions under the law, in matters of reproductive choice, and so on. You are not content to let others live and let live. You seem to want to enforce your viewpoint upon the populace as a whole, regardless of their beliefs or creed. I find that intractable.
I must continue to disagree with you in recognizing Jesus as a valuable teacher without acknowledging him, as you do, as an inerrant authority.
I must likewise disagree with you as to the Founding Fathers ascribing to an unshakable Christian faith indiscernible from your own. I believe that the historical record shows that Franklin and Jefferson, at minimum, revealed quite another interpretation of Scripture through their writings.
You and I are at odds, Jer, at the end of the day. You proclaim a mandate for your point of view that I do not recognize. And I, in turn, proclaim a personal prerogative that you find anathema to your perspective.
I have at least acknowledged that you are acting in good earnest and honest intent on your own beliefs.
Can you do the same, and acknowledge that I am acting in good earnest and honest intent on mine, and that we can part - in perhaps contradictory points of view on these cosmic questions - in earnest?
I would like to think that we can diverge our paths amicably.
I offer you this in token of my positive intent: Blessed Be in your chosen path.
Can you do the same, and acknowledge that I am acting in good earnest and honest intent on mine, and that we can part - in perhaps contradictory points of view on these cosmic questions - in earnest?
ReplyDeleteI may acknowledge in part what you are saying, but not so in other respects.
Why, you ask? Because, not everything you say is the truth about myself, while revealing your own intentions to be those which you project onto me.
For example ... you say, "I must continue to disagree with you in that the issue of "controlling the lives of others" is "a matter of personal choice," because it is in point of fact the mission of you and those who share your beliefs to enforce those beliefs upon others:
I only want freedom for others...the freedom to live, raise their families, and have well-meaning productive lives...and that is only possible through Jesus Christ.
If we go by your standards, you want to destroy Christianity which makes those institutions possible, and able to prosper.
in matters of personal unions under the law, in matters of reproductive choice, and so on.
Yes, I don't agree with homosexuality, and I don't agree with the murder of unborn children.
You are not content to let others live and let live.
No, that would be you, because others can't live in homosexuality and be happy people...it's just not possible. And too, you don't want others to have the same breath of life that you were afforded, the unborn children.
You seem to want to enforce your viewpoint upon the populace as a whole, regardless of their beliefs or creed.
No. I don't want to enforce anything on anyone...all I do is offer them the truth, because the truth is what works.
The lies of atheism never work, friend, and you will see that one of these days.
So, here's how it goes ... I want life and families to prosper, I want little babies in the womb to be able to come into the world and have those who will care about them and raise them in the admonition of the Lord, so that our country may prosper and receive the Lord's blessing.
You, you don't want that ... you want unfettered and unnatural autonomy, that is contrary to how we were made to be - freedom of homosexuality, freedom of death to the unborn (abortion), freedom of drugs and alcohol ... while at the same time, suppressing the truth which exposes those things for the evils that they are. And, you want the government to support and encourage those things.
My friend, it will never work. And I can see now that you could care less.
But, the tragedy is ... while you look upon Christianity as anathema to what you feel in your heart is "good" the only thing you succeed in doing is shutting up or cutting off your life source...obstinate to your only hope, which is in Jesus Christ.
You have that choice ... but don't expect good to come as a result of it, because it just won't happen.
Well, that's about all I can do for you at this point. It's up to you now.
Take care. And as always...
God bless!
Goodness me, Jer - even when someone with whom you disagree extends you an olive branch, with generosity and positive, honest intent, all you can do is swat back with that branch. How disappointing. Here I thought we might have reached a point of equilibrium. I seem to have been, sadly, mistaken.
ReplyDeleteYou claim that you only want "freedom" for others. But then go on to say that this "freedom" can only be on your own terms, in your own Christ-centered vocabulary. I have to disagree. Freedom, to be itself, must exist upon mutually-agreed neutral ground. So, by definition, the "freedom" you posit is the freedom only of adhesion to your personal ideal, your chosen philosophy, your selected faith.
That is not freedom, Jer. That is a forced application of your personal viewpoint. Never mind that you see it through the lens of your own belief, as an imposition of your chosen reality upon unbelievers. No honest broker of freedom of religion can claim to enforce his own belief upon the world, as you do in this instance. This is a fallacy.
You also suggest that I want to destroy Christianity. That is rubbish. As far as I am concerned, you and those like you are more than free to observe and practice whatever flavor of Christianity you espouse. My only concern is that you not push it upon me.
Furthermore, you dare to tell me that no homosexual unions can be happy? You want "little babies in the womb to be able to come into the world," and somehow I do not?
One of my dearest friends is in a committed homosexual union, and has been for over 15 years. Another friend has adopted a female baby from China who would otherwise have likely been killed. I look upon myself as that beautiful child's Fairy Godmother.
And you say that I would have preferred that this lovely child, whom I quite look upon as I would a niece, is someone I would have preferred had not been born?
What the HELL are you playing at, Jeremiah?
I will have more to say on this subject in due course.
How disappointing. Here I thought we might have reached a point of equilibrium. I seem to have been, sadly, mistaken.
ReplyDeleteNope. Not on your life. Oil and water don't mix too well.
And clean, clear water, if you put dirt in it, it soon becomes contaminated, and unfit for consumption. The water soon, however, separates itself from the dirt, and becomes pure again. That's why I say you can't take parts of Scripture, and interpret them to try and justify behavior or actions which go directly in contradiction to what it teaches...it is pure and holy..and it makes clear distinctions between the holy and the unholy.
You claim that you only want "freedom" for others.
No, I don't "claim" to, I do want freedom for others.
But then go on to say that this "freedom" can only be on your own terms, in your own Christ-centered vocabulary.
No, not in "my" own vocabulary, but that of others, like this woman's testimony from Romania.
You see, the thing you are missing in all of this, is sin ... which is in slavery, or bondage to the desires of the self, self is your god. Not caring that the God of Creation gave you life...and you want to serve your life, rather than the One who gave you that life.
I have to disagree. Freedom, to be itself, must exist upon mutually-agreed neutral ground.
No, freedom is not "neutral" in any sense of the word...freedom has worth and dignity assigned to it, or otherwise, it would not have to be fought for, defended and protected...as we would all be like the angels, serving God out of our will ... but, you see, God didn't do that, God wanted us to serve Him out of free will, and if we did, He would bless us abundantly ... 2 Chronicles 7:14 says - 'If my people who are called by my name humble themselves, and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and heal their land.'
So, by definition, the "freedom" you posit is the freedom only of adhesion to your personal ideal, your chosen philosophy, your selected faith.
I have chosen Christ for my freedom, yes. When we are in sin, we are prisoners to it, and when we accept Christ, He sets us free from that bondage through our commitment to His plan for our lives, always praying and asking for direction, and He will do as He has promised - John 8:36 - So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.'
That is not freedom, Jer. That is a forced application of your personal viewpoint. Never mind that you see it through the lens of your own belief, as an imposition of your chosen reality upon unbelievers. No honest broker of freedom of religion can claim to enforce his own belief upon the world, as you do in this instance. This is a fallacy.
Quite to the contrary. The fallacy is only in your thinking. In a system of law, you are always using one or the other, a moral or immoral system of ethics, never both. The government, the civil body of governors and executioners of the law, can only be legitimate when it holds to standards that it is subordinate to, that way there is no confusion on matters which pertain to its duty...and God created the very first government as I mentioned earlier...and its aim is to protect the unborn from the savagery that has already taken over 50,000,000 too many lives, little persons.
And you see, when the government is in error like that...then we must disobey that government's system of law, because it is not in accordance with the Giver of Laws, the Almighty.
Isaiah 9:6 - 'For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government shall be upon His shoulder, and His name shall be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
You also suggest that I want to destroy Christianity. That is rubbish.
How do you not when you advocate for the taking of unborn children?
As far as I am concerned, you and those like you are more than free to observe and practice whatever flavor of Christianity you espouse. My only concern is that you not push it upon me.
ReplyDeleteI'm not pushing anything on you; nothing at all! This is a free country, and that freedom was made possible only through the Christian faith which our Founding Fathers lived, breathed, fought and died for. Which is nothing that you can pretend to be, my friend. You live it or you don't...and it was evident in their lives that ... yes, indeed ... they lived it. Read sometime - Christ in the Camp. A wonderful book, it shows how God worked through the ministry during the mid and post-Civil War era.
Furthermore, you dare to tell me that no homosexual unions can be happy?
Yes, that is a fact. It shows that they were not content to live how they were created to be, which is heterosexual, a man married to a woman. So God let them go their own way, and He thus, turned them over to a reprobate mind...the effect of rejecting to retain God in their knowledge. Romans 1:18-24
You want "little babies in the womb to be able to come into the world," and somehow I do not?
Yes, I do want little babies to come into the world...and that is why I want the government to protect them. You, on the other hand, do not want the government to protect them...you want the government open it up to the very likely possibility of their destruction. Not a very good thing, my friend.
One of my dearest friends is in a committed homosexual union, and has been for over 15 years.
Your friend is not happy...no matter how much you say he or she is, or how much he or she says they are...they can't, because God is in their thoughts and actions.
Another friend has adopted a female baby from China who would otherwise have likely been killed.
Your friend's baby is one of the more lucky ones, more-so than the ones that you want the government to open to the gateway of death to.
I look upon myself as that beautiful child's Fairy Godmother.
If you did, you would want others to have that same possibility. So, see, you're only caring about yourself. Which is not a very caring attitude. Care, and love, can only come from the Book of Life. Period. End of Story!
And you say that I would have preferred that this lovely child, whom I quite look upon as I would a niece, is someone I would have preferred had not been born?
See my previous comment. And one other thing about that...don't give me the line "it is for the women" or "for the woman's right to choose" ... you don't care anything about the woman. If you did, you would not want the gate of death to be open to her children.
It's a dark world, friend, and you're not helping much by advocating for the sin that makes it that way.
What the HELL are you playing at, Jeremiah?
I'm not playing any game, friend, just offering you advice well worth your immediate attention, because God does not play games...He is very serious.
God bless you!
Correction on the line about your homosexual friend:
ReplyDeletethey can't, because God is in their thoughts and actions.
I should have added 'Not' in there ... God is not in their thoughts and actions.
Enough. I am done with you and your bankrupt rhetoric and self-righteous puffery. Your blind insistence on America as a "Christian nation," a tale debunked time and time again in the Founders' own words. You and your "gateway[s] of death" and "advocating for sin" and your insistence that you and your god have cornered the market on goodness, care and love. What arrogance. What enormous arrogance, coupled with a latent hostility to all that is other than yourself. How do you even interact with other people? How do you function in the world? Do you talk to yourself on streetcorners? Rant at passers-by indiscriminately? Proselytize your co-workers in their offices or cubicles with tracts and admonitions and wide-eyed diatribes?
ReplyDeleteThe universe is bigger than you and your sad, sanctimonious, fearful little corner of it, Jeremiah. One day you will look into the mirror, see that fact resonating in your eyes, and regret the wasteland to which you committed so many years that you could have spent making a positive, constructive contribution to the world, rather than a divisive, hateful and exclusionary one. And when you finally wake up and see that, it will probably be far too late for you to do anything about it. For that, you have no-one to blame but yourself.
It was a mistake for me to even begin to engage you and give you the satisfaction of commentary. Likewise, a waste of MY time to assume that your closed mind, like an already-dead clam, could be persuaded to open and think outside its own predetermined boundaries. Time and past time for you and your sad little fundie blog to sink into the well-deserved obscurity of "0 comments."
Or, to borrow your own words, Jer...I'm no longer willing to be "contaminated" by this place.
I'm off to the clear, sparkling waters of rational thought and sane spirituality.
This backwater is all yours. Good luck with that.